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John SAINT LEGER
Katherine NEVILLE
"Catherine married Sir John ST. LEGER, son of Sir George ST. LEGER and Anne
KNYVETT. (Sir John ST. LEGER was born about 1520"

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George Neville - 5th Lord of Abergavenny
Mary Stafford
"George married Mary STAFFORD Baroness Abergavenney, daughter of Edward
STAFFORD 3rd Duke of Buckingham and Alianore (Eleanor) PERCY of Northumberland.
(Mary STAFFORD Baroness Abergavenney was born about 1495 in Abergavenney, Gwent,
Wales.)
George also married Joan FITZALAN.
George also married Margaret BRENT."

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George NEVILLE
Margaret FENNE - Baroness of Abergavenny
"George Neville, Lord Burgavenny (by 1st wife Elizabeth Beauchamp), b. Raby Castle, d.
20 Sep 1492, MP 1482-1492; m. (1) Margaret, d. 28 Sep 1485, daughter of Sir Hugh
Fenne. [Magna Charta Sureties]
George Nevill, Lord Bergavenny, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir of Edward by Elizabeth
Beachamp, b. at Raby Castle, and baptized at Staindrop, co. Durham. He was knighted at
Tewkesbury, by Edward IV, 4 May 1471; was aged 36 and more in 1476. On 12 Jan
1476/7, he had livery of the lands of his parents, but he never had seizin of Abergavenny.
He was one of the Barons at the coronation of Richard III. He was summoned to
Parliament 15 Nov 1482 to 12 Aug 1492, by writs directed 'Georgio Nevyle de Bergevenny
chr.'
He m. 1stly, Margaret, daughter and heir of Sir Hugh Fenne, of Sculton Burdeleys, Norfolk,
and of Braintree, Essex, Treasurer of the Household to Henry VI. She d. 28 Sep 1485. He
m. 2ndly, as her 4th husband, Elizabeth, widow of John Stokker, of St. George's
Eastcheap, who d. Sep 1485 (will dated 23 Sep 1485, probated 12 Sep 1486), and before
that, widow of Robert Basett, Lord Mayor of London (1475-6), who d. between 11 May and
27 Jul 1484, and before that widow of Richard Naylor, citizen of London, who was buried at
St. Martin's, Outwich, London (will dated 18 July, and probated 22 Aug 1483). He d. 20 Sep
1492, and was buried at Lewes Priory, Sussex. Will dated 1 Jul 1491, probated 1492. She
d. 1500, and was buried at St. Martin's Outwich, aforesaid. Will, in which she describes
herself as Berghdenne, in the parish of Cartham, Kent, widow, dated 14 Apr 1500,
probated 19 June following. [Complete Peerage I:30-31, XIV:6-7] 2990,9276
Marriage Information:
George married Margaret FENNE, daughter of Sir Hugh FENNE of Sculton Burdeleys &
Braintree and Eleanor, before 1 May 1471 2990,9273,9274,9275. (Margaret FENNE was
born in 1444 in Scoulton Burdeleys, Wayland, Norfolk, England 9278 and died on 28 Sep
1485 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales"

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Edward George DE NEVILLE - 1st Baron of Avergavenny
Elizabeth DE BEAUCHAMP
"Edward Nevill(e), 1st Lord (Baron) Bergavenny or Neville de Bergavenny, so created by
writ of summons 5 Sep 1450; granted license by Henry VI to take possession of the lands
of Abergavenny but in possession of the castle at Abergavenny for only a short while;
married 1st by 18 Oct 1424 Elizabeth Beauchamp, according to later doctrine Baroness
Bergavenny or Beauchamp de Bergavenny in her own right, and had issue. The 1st Lord
(Baron) Bergavenny married 2nd 15 Oct 1448 his 3rd cousin Catherine, daughter of Sir
Robert Howard and sister of 1st Duke of Norfolk, and died 18 Oct 1476, having had further
issue. [Burke's Peerage]
Sir Edward de Neville, KG, d. 18 Oct 1476, Lord Burgavenny; m. (1) bef. 18 Oct 1424
Elizabeth Beauchamp, b. 16 Sep 1415, d. 18 Jun 1448, only daughter of Richard de
Beauchamp, KB, Lord Bergavenny, b. by 1397, being 14+ in June 1411, dsp in France 18
Mar 1421/2 (son of William Beauchamp, KG, Lord Bergavenny, and Joan Fitz Alan), and
Isabel le Despenser, m. 27 July 1411, (daughter of Thomas le Despenser and
Constance, daughter of Edmund, Duke of York). [Magna Charta Sureties]
Sir Edward Nevill, a year after the death of his 1st wife, Eliabeth Beauchamp, obtained on
14 Jul 1449, licence from Henry IV to enter on the lands, etc. of Abergavenny, and, from 5
Sep 1450 to 19 Aug 1472 was summoned to Parliament as a Baron (Lord Bergavenny), by
writs directed "Edwardo Nevill domino de Bergevenny militi", and on and after 30 Jul 1459,
though he does not appear to have been seized, except for a short time, of the Castle and
lands of that name.
He m. 2ndly, by special dispensation 15 Oct 1448, Katharine, daughter of Sir Robert
Howard, by Margaret, daughter of Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk; she, with whom he
had cohabited in the lifetime of his 1st wife, was related to him in the third degree. He d.
18 Oct 1476. His widow was living 29 Jun 1478. [Complete Peerage I:30] 7154
Events:
1. Info 6: See Burke's Peerage under "Abergavenny".
Marriage Information:
Edward married Elizabeth DE BEAUCHAMP, daughter of Richard DE BEAUCHAMP K.B.,
Earl of Worcester and Isabel LE DESPENSER Baroness Burghersh, before 18 Oct 1424
563. (Elizabeth DE BEAUCHAMP was born on 16 Sep 1415 in Hanley Castle,
Worcestershire, England 563,922,7153, died on 18 Jun 1448 in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire, Wales 922,7153 and was buried in Beauchamp Chapel, St. Mary's
Church, Warwick, Warwickshire, England/Warwickshire, England.)
Marriage Information:
Edward also married Catherine HOWARD, daughter of Sir Robert HOWARD of
Stoke-by-Nayland, K.G. and Margaret DE MOWBRAY. (Catherine HOWARD was born about
1414 and died after 29 Jun 1478.)"

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Ralph DE NEVILLE - Earl of Westmorland
Joan DE BEAUFORT - Countess of Westmoreland
"Name Suffix: Earl of Westmorland
Ancestral File Number: 8HR3-64
Perhaps the Westmoreland in Shakespeare's 'Henry V.' He was the 1st Earl Of
Westmoreland.
born c. 1364
died Oct. 21, 1425, Raby Castle, Durham, Eng.
Neville also spelled Nevill
English noble who, though created earl by King Richard II , supported the usurpation of the
crown by Henry IV and di d much to establish the Lancastrian dynasty.
The eldest son of John, 3rd Baron Neville, he was knighte d during a French expedition in
1380, succeeded to his fath er's barony in 1388, and was created Earl of Westmorland o n
Sept. 29, 1397. Further royal favours failed to command h is allegiance, and in 1399 he
joined his brother-in-law, He nry of Lancaster (later Henry IV), in securing the depositi on of
Richard II. As the new king's kinsman (by his secon d marriage, to Joan Beaufort, half
sister to Henry) and a s a useful counterbalance to the strength of the Percy fami ly in the
North, Neville could expect suitable rewards. I n September 1399 he was made marshal
of England and in Octo ber was granted for life the valuable honour of Richmond, Y
orkshire. In 1403 he helped suppress the Percy rebellion i n the North, and in 1405 he
intercepted rebel forces at Shipton Moor, near York, and tricked them into surrender: th e
rising in Yorkshire thus lost much strength.
Neville had now become very experienced in Scottish affairs , having long been a warden
of the West March of Scotland , and was charged with the safekeeping of the northern bord
er during Henry V's absences in France. Hence, he took no p art in the Battle of Agincourt
in 1415 (though Shakespear e thought he was present) or in later French campaigns bu t
was a member of the Council of Regency under John, Duke o f Bedford, in 1415.
Copyright © 1994-2002 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
His Family Was One Of The Most Powerful In England And Shar ed Domination Of The
Northern Counties With The Percy Family
His Daughter Cecily Neville Married Richard, Duke Of York , And Became The Mother Of
Edward IV And Richard III
His Second Wife Was Joan Beaufort, Daughter Of John Of Gaun t And Half Sister Of Henry
Of Lancaster (Later Henry Iv).
He was the 1st Earl of Westmorland, and the Knight of The Garter.
EARL OF WESTMORLAND

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Ralph DE NEVILLE - Earl of Westmorland - Knight of The Garter
Joan DE BEAUFORT - Countess of Westmoreland
"The "Kingmaker's" grandfather, the 1st Earl of Westmorland settled about half the original
Neville estates on the children of his second marriage, whereas the subsequent Earls of
Westmorland were the product of his first. It thus came about that the 2nd-6th Earls of
Westmorland were actually less well-endowed territorially than their ancestors who had
been mere barons. The pre-eminence of that branch of the family represented by the Earls
of Salisbury/Warwick, who stemmed from the second marriage, was made
correspondingly easier.
The 1st Earl of Westmorland had multiplicity of children: nine by the first wife, fourteen by
his second. Of his 23 in all, four were peers, three were duchesses and another four
daughters the wives of lesser peers; moreover of those three duchesses one was mother
of two kings. Between 1450 and 1455 no fewer than 13 members of the family had seats
in the House of Lords. This very fecundity like that of Edward III, engendered quarrels.
There was rivalry between the two branches of the family, which grew from a dispute about
family estates into a difference as to dynastic loyalties. It thus served as an overture to the
Wars of the Roses, one which was made even more ominous by a dispute between the
Nevilles, represented by the 1st Marquess of Montagu and the Percys. [Burke's Peerage]
Sir Ralph de Neville, KG, b. c 1346, d. Raby 21 Oct 1425, created 1st Earl of Westmorland
1397; m. (1) Margaret Stafford, d. 9 June 1396; m. (2) before 29 Nov 1396 Joan Beaufort, d.
Howden 13 Nov 1440, widow of Robert Ferrers, daughter of John, Duke of Lancaster and
Katharine (Roet) Swynford. [Magna Charta Sureties]
Sixth Baron Neville of Raby, became a Knight of the Garter and 1st Earl Westmoreland
September 29, 1397. As a Lancasterian, he opposed Richard II in 1399 and conveyed
Richard's resignation to the convention. He assisted in the coronation of Henry IV and was
a member of the council of regency appointed to rule in the infancy of King Henry V. With
his second marriage to Joan Beaufort, a widowed daughter of John Of Gaunt, fourth son of
Edward III, this favorably affected Joan and Ralph's wealth and social prestige, making
possible brilliant marriages for their children. In 1450, five of Ralph's sons, five
sons-in-law and several grandsons were in Parliament.
Held many offices, among them Constable of the Tower of London and in 1399, Marshall
of England the year he was created Earl of Richmond. He was a member of Richards II's
privy council, saw service at Agincourt on October 25, 1415 where Henry won a victory over
the superior numbers of French owing to his superior generalship.
He married his first wife Margaret, daughter of Hugh, Earl of Stafford by special
dispensation from Pope Urban V, because of their close relationship.
The marriage to Joan, his second wife, was a much more distinguished one as the line
now descends through the royal house of England. summoned to Parliament from
December 6, 1389 to November 30, 1396.
Some say he is the son of Elizabeth Latimer
Was created Earl of Westmorland by Richard II on 9-29-1397
Ralph de Nevill, 4th baron, summoned to parliament from 6 December, 1389, to 30
November, 1396. This nobleman took a leading part in the political drama of his day and
sustained it with more than ordinary ability. In the lifetime of his father (9th Richard II), he
was joined with Thomas Clifford, son of Lord Clifford, and was appointed a
commissionership for the guardianship of the West Marches. In three years after this he
succeeded to the title, and in two years subsequently he was one of the commissioners
appointed to treat with the Kings of France and Scotland, touching a truce made by them
with the King of England. In the 21st Richard II [1378], he was made constable of the
Tower of London and shortly afterwards advanced in full parliament to the dignity of Earl of
Westmoreland. His lordship was of the privy council to King Richard and had much favour
from that monarch, yet he was one of the most active in raising Henry, of Lancaster, to the
throne as Henry IV, and was rewarded by the new king in the first year of his reign with a
grant of the county and honour of Richmond for his life, and with the great office of Earl
Marshal of England. Soon after this, he stoutly resisted the Earl of Northumberland in his
rebellion and forced the Percies, who had advanced as far as Durham, to fall back upon
Prudhoe, when the battle of Shrewsbury ensued, in which the gallant Hotspur sustained
so signal a defeat, and closed his impetuous career. The earl was afterwards governor of
the town and castle of Carlisle, warden of the West Marches towards Scotland, and
governor of Roxborough. He was also a knight of the Garter. His lordship m. 1st, Lady
Margaret Stafford, dau. of Hugh, Earl Stafford, K.G., for which marriage a dispensation was
obtained from Pope Urban V, the earl and his bride being within the third and fourth
degrees of consanguinity; by this lady he had issue, John, Lord Nevill; Ralph; Maud;
Phillippa; Alice; Margaret; Anne; Margery; and Elizabeth. The earl m. 2ndly, Joan de
Beaufort, dau. of John of Gaunt, by Katherine Swynford, and widow of Robert, Lord Ferrers,
of Wem, by whom he had issue, Richard; William; George; Edward; Cuthbert; Henry;
Thomas; Catherine; Eleanor; Anne; Jane; and Cicely. This great earl d. in 1425 and was s.
by his grandson, Ralph Nevill, 5th Baron Nevill, of Raby. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant,
Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883,
pp. 393-4, Nevill, Barons Nevill, of Raby, Earls of Westmoreland] 5125
Events:
1. Ti tle: 1st Earl Of Westmoreland.
Marriage Information:
Ralph married Lady Margaret DE STAFFORD Countess Of Westmorland, daughter of Sir
Hugh DE STAFFORD 2nd Earl of Stafford, K.G. and Philippa DE BEAUCHAMP, about 1382
in Stafford, Staffordshire, England 922. (Lady Margaret DE STAFFORD Countess Of
Westmorland was born about 1364 in Brancepeth, Durham, England, died on 9 Jun 1396
in Raby Castle, Raby With-Keverstone, Durham, England and was buried in Jun 1396 in
Brancepeth, Durham, England.)
Marriage Notes:
Of, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Marriage Information:
Ralph also married Lady Joan DE BEAUFORT Queen of Scotland, daughter of John DE
BEAUFORT Duke of Gaunt and Catherine Swynford DE ROET, on 20 Feb 1396-1397 in
Chateau DE Beauf, Meuse-Et-Loire, France 922,1056. (Lady Joan DE BEAUFORT Queen
of Scotland was born in 1379 in Château De Beaufort, Maine-Et-Loire, France
563,922,1056, died on 13 Nov 1440 in Howden, Yorkshire, England 563,922,1631,5126
and was buried in Lincoln Cathedral, Lincolnshire"

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John DE NEVILLE - 3rd Baron
Maud DE PERCY
" Marriage Information:
John married Maud DE PERCY, daughter of Baron Henry DE PERCY 2nd Lord Percy and
Idonea (Idoine) DE CLIFFORD, in Jul 1357 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England
922,928,5098,7007. (Maud DE PERCY was born about 1335 in Warkworth Castle,
Alnwick, Northumberland, England 922,928,5098, christened in England, died on 18 Feb
1377-1378 in England 922,928,5098,5099 and was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham,
England.)
Marriage Information:
John also married Elizabeth LATIMER Baroness Latimer of Corby, daughter of Sir William
VI LE LATIMER 4th Baron Latimer of Corby, K.G. and Elizabeth FITZALAN. (Elizabeth
LATIMER Baroness Latimer of Corby was born between 1355 and 1357 in Scrampston,
Yorkshire, England and died on 5 Nov 1395 in Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England.)"

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Ralph DE NEVILLE - Baron
Alice DE AUDLEY
"Ralph, educated at Oxford, captured with his elder brother Robert, and his 2 younger
brothers Alexander and John at the Scots victory at the Battle of Bannockburn 24 June
1314, was ransomed at crippling cost to his father. Witnessed his elder brother "The
Peacock of the North" Robert's death in June 1319 at the hands of Sir James Douglas
(known as "The Good" by the Scots, but also, especially by the English, as the "Black
Douglas" from his dark complexion) outside the walls of Berwick Castle in single combat,
a contest arranged in revenge for the killing by Neville and his brothers the previous Dec of
Richard FitzMarmaduke. [Burke's Peerage]
Ralph de Neville, Lord Neville of Raby, age 40+ at father's death, b. c 1291, d. 5 Aug 1367;
m. license 14 Jan 1326/7 Alice de Audley, d. 12 Jan 1373/4. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Fourth Baron of Raby, second Baron Neville. Ralph was captured in a battle with the Scots
in 1318. He was ransomed and lived to command a division of English that soundly
defeated the Scots at the Battle of Neville's Cross on October 17, 1346, when the Scots
were defeated and King David captured. The battle was fought one-half mile west of
Durham on the Brancepeth road near the old cross. After the battle, lord Neville replaced it
with a much grander monument. It stood for 240 years in good condition until 1589 when it
was vandalized. These remains still stand.
onstable of Warkworth Castle, keeper of peace in Yorkshire and Raby, assisted in truce
with Robert Bruce, named warded on marches in Northumberland, Cumberland and
Westmorland, named superior warden, steward of Kings household.
1350-with English fleet in battle with Spaniards off Calais.
1355-in France with battle of Poitiers 7013
Marriage Information:
Ralph married Alice DE AUDLEY, daughter of Hugh DE AUDLEY 1st Baron de Audley and
Isolde (Iseude, Iswolde) DE MORTIMER, on 14 Jan 1326 in Stratton Audley, Oxfordshire,
England 797,4742. (Alice DE AUDLEY was born about 1304 in Hadley, Staffordshire,
England, died on 11 Jan 1373-1374 in Greystoke, Northumberland, England and was
buried in Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England.)"

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Ranulf DE NEVILLE - Lord Clavering of Raby
Eupheme DE CLAVERING
"Another name for Randolph was Ralph NEVILLE.
General Notes:
First Baron Neville of Raby
Became heir to mothers lands
Ranulph held eight adjoining lordships in the Prior of Durham. He had numerous
disputes with the Bishop of Durhan concerning his responsibilities. He was convicted of
incest with a daughter and made to do public penance for the crime. He was summoned
to Parliament in 1295 as Lord Neville of Raby and served until his death (1331)
Some say he is incorrectly called Ralph. He was one of the signers of a letter to Pope
Boniface VIII (1292-1303) drawn up in a parliament convened in Lincoln by Edward I on
January 23, 1301. This letter set forth the rights of the Crown to Scotland and strongly
disapproved of the Pope's other actions in regard to England. Ranulphus was a champion
of civil liberties, a soldier in Gascony and Scotland, yet has been much maligned. His
mother was heiress to her father's estate but she does not appear to have held
Ranulphus in much esteem as she settled them on her grandson, Robert.

Ranulf, or Ralph, de Nevill, being in minority at the time of his grandfather's decease [in
1282], obtained liberty of the king that his friends might plough and manage his lands and,
in the 13th Edward I [1285], had livery of certain manors, part of his inheritance. Soon after
this, he had a warm contest with the prior of Durham about the presentation of a stag upon
St. Cuthbert's Day, in September, "which, in truth," says Dugdale, "was rather a rent than
an obligation, in regard he held Raby with the eight adjoining townships by the yearly rent
of £4 and a stag. For, contrary to the custom of his ancestors, he not only required that the
prior of Durham, at the offering of that stag, ought to feast him and all the company he
should bring, but that the prior's own menial servants should, for that time, be set aside,
and his peculiar servants and officers be put in their stead. Whereupon, amongst other of
his guests, he invited John de Baliol, of Barnard Castle, who refused to go with him,
alleging that he never knew the Nevills to have such a privilege there; Sir William de
Bromtpon, the bishop's chief justice, likewise acknowledging that he himself was the first
that began the extravagant practice for being a young man and delighting in hunting, he
came with the Lord Nevill at the offering of the stag and said to his companions, 'Come, let
us go to the abbey and wind our horns,' and so they did. The prior father adding, that
before the time of this Ranulph, none of his predecessors ever made any such claim, but
when they brought the stag into the hall, they had only a breakfast, nor did the lord ever
stay dinner, except he were invited."

This Ranulph was summoned to parliament as a Baron, 8 June, 1294, and from that
period to 18 February, 1331. His lordship was in the wars of France, temp. Edward I, and
in those of Scotland in the next reign. It is said, however, that he little minded secular
business but devoted the principal part of his time to conversation with the canons of
Merton and Coverham, upon whom he bestowed some considerable grants. He m. 1st,
Euphemia, dau. of Robert and sister of John de Clavering, and had two sons, Robert and
Ralph, and two daus., Margaret and Anastasia. His lordship m. 2ndly, Margery, dau. of
John, son of Marmaduke de Thweng, but had no issue. He d. in 1331, was buried on the
south side of the altar at Coverham, and was s. by his only surviving son, Ralph de Nevill.
[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage,
Ltd., London, 1883, p. 392-3, Nevill, Barons Nevill, of Raby, Earls of Westmoreland] 1616
Marriage Information:
Randolph married Euphemia DE CLAVERING, daughter of Sir Robert FITZ ROGER 1st
Baron Clavering and Margery (Mary) LA ZOUCHE. (Euphemia DE CLAVERING was born
about 1267 in Clavering, Saffron Walden, Essex, England and died in 1329 in Raby
Castle, Durham, England.)"

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Robert DE NEVILLE
Mary FITZRANDOLF
"Robert greatly enhanced the territory of the family by his marriage about 1260 to Mary,
elder daughter of Ralph Fitz Ranulph of Middleham.
Henry Drummond states: "In 1271, Robert was caught by friends of the husband of a lady
in Craven, who inflicted on him their vengence in a mode intended to prevent forever
repetition of this offense. He died from these wounds in the lifetime of his father" 1935
Marriage Information:
Robert married Mary FITZ RANULPH Heiress of Middleham, daughter of Ralph (Ranulph)
FITZ RANDOLPH and Anastasia DE PERCY Lady de Faucomberge, in 1270 in
Middleham, Yorkshire, England. (Mary FITZ RANULPH Heiress of Middleham was born
about 1244 in Middleham, North Riding, Yorkshire, England and died before 11 Apr 1320
in Snape with Thorpe, Bedale, North Riding Yorkshire, England.)"

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Robert DE NEVILLE - Baron Of Raby
Ida DE BERTRAM
"Second Baron Neville of Raby, became governor of the castles of Norham Werke, and
Banborough in the reign of Henry III. He saw military service and held civil offices and
stood by the king in his troubles with the barons. He married before April 13, 1273, his
second wife was Ida, widow of Sir Roger Bertram of Mitford, and died before August 20,
1282. Roberts widow had writs of dower in October 1282 and May 1283.

Inherited lands from his grandfather, Robert Fitz-Maldred. These were the Neville and
Bulmer lands to include manors in Lincolnshire, Yorkshire and Durham with castles at
Raby, Middleham and Brancepeth. He had a military summons too march to the relief ot
the King of Scotland, and was then constituted governor ot the Castles of Norham and
Werke. The next year he was intrusted with Bamborough Castle, and two years later made
Warden of the king's forests beyond Trent. Then followed by the appointment of
Justice-itnerant for the pleas of those forests. He was one of the barons who undertook for
the king's forces beyond Trent, as also sheriff of Yorkshire, Northumberland and governor
of the castle of York. He subsequently joined the baronial banner, yet was fortunate
enough, after the discomfiture of his party, not only to obtain his pardon, but to be
constituted governor of Pickering Castle in Yorkshire. Captain general of Kings forces
beyond Trent.]
Tax collector for Edward I in Northumberland and Westmorland."

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Geoffrey DE NEVILLE - Lord of Raby and Brancepeth
Joan Margaret DE MONMOUTH
"He was the Lord of Raby. The name Neville was ultimately derived from the commune of
Néville in the Duchy of Normandy. In a more direct sense, it was adopted by the son of
Robert FitzMaldred, Lord of Raby and his wife Isabel de Neville. Their son Geoffrey de
Neville was the first English-born male to adopt the name. He was the heir of his mother's
family, and a Norman French name was most beneficial politically for an ambitious family
at that time. 1"

Sources:

1. Abbrev: [Ancestry of David A. Blocher]
Title: "Ancestry of David A. Blocher"
Author: David A. Blocher
Text: "Ancestry of David A. Blocher" by David A. Blocher
Note:
A notification of David A. Blocher's Ancestry. Used for personal purposes, no book was published.
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Saturday, January 09, 2010

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Geoffrey DE NEVILLE - Lord of Raby and Brancepeth
Joan Margaret de Longvillers
"Geoffrey Fitz Robert, later de Neville; took his mother's family name because of the vast
estates she had brought with her; notably Brancepeth, Sheriff-Hutton now in North
Yorkshire, together with land in Lincolnshire; married Joan, possibly coheir of John de
Monmouth. [Burke's Peerage]
Adopted maternal surname
He became the 1st Baron Neville of Raby and inherited his mother's estates of
Brancepeth and Sheriff-Hutton Castle. Founded the Neville line of Raby from which
Richard, Lord Warwick the Kingmaker came from.
Some say married to a "Margaret" who was the mother of his children.
1258 - Sheriff of Northumberland. [Ancestral Roots]"

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Robert FITZ-MALDRED - Lord of Raby and Brancepeth
Isabel DE NEVILLE
"Became heiress of estate in 1226, married Robert Fitz-Maldred, Lord of Raby and
Brancepeth. Isabel married Robert FitzMaldred DUNKELD Lord of Raby, son of Maldred
FitzDolfin DUNKELD Lord of Raby and Miss DE STUTEVILLE 814,818. (Robert FitzMaldred
DUNKELD Lord of Raby was born about 1170 in Raby Castle, Durham, England 7977 and
died before 26 May 1248:

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Geoffrey DE NEVILLE
Emma DE BULMER
"Geoffrey (VI) de Neville; had attained his majority by 1161, a justice in Yorkshire 1184;
married by Michaelmas 1176 Emma (died by 1208), only daughter and ultimately heir of
Bertram de Bulmer, feudal Lord of Brancepeth, Co. Durham, and widow of Geoffrey de
Valoignes, and died by Michaelmas 1193. [Burke's Peerage]

Must have been of age in 1161. From 1162 he was receiving fifteen pounds yearly revenue
from a grant of Ashby and Toynton. He gave lands for churches, among which was St.
German's Church of Raby, In 1176 he was a circuit justice in Yorkshire. He married
Emma, widow of Geoffrey de Valoignes and daughter of Bertand de Bulmer, before 1176.
By the heiress of Bulmer, he acquired extensive estates, which after the death of his son
Henry, without issue, devolved upon his daughter. Geoffrey was on the circuit as a Justice
in Yorkshire. His lands passed to daughter Isabel.
Royal Justice 1183-1184
In charge of Berwick Castle
Marriage brought Bulmer lands in Durham and Yorkshire as permanent base in the north.
Established branch of Neville's in Durham and Yorkshire. 814
Marriage Information:
Geoffrey married Emma DE BULMER Heiress of Brancepeth, daughter of Bertram DE
BULMER Lord of Branspeth and Emma FOSSARD, before 29 Sep 1176 in 2nd husband
814,818. (Emma DE BULMER Heiress of Brancepeth was born about 1155 in Ferlington,
Yorkshire, England and died about 1208"

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Gilbert DE NEVILLE
Philicia
"Gilbert II de Neville; witnessed various charters between 1142 and 1163; held various
lands that Gilbert I had had, which again suggests kinship; d. by 1169. [Burke's Peerage]"

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Geoffrey I de Neville
UNKNOWN
"Geoffrey I de Neville; held Walcot 1146; was probably father of two brothers. [Burke's
Peerage] "

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Gilbert DE NEVILLE
unknown
"Gilbert I de Neville; held in the year 1086 carucates (a carucate was an area of land that
could be cultivated by an eight-ox plough team throughout a single year) at Waltcot,
Lincolnshire and Yawthorpe, together with others in that part of England by 1115-18;
kinship is plausible but has not been provern with [son Geoffrey]. [Burke's Peerage]
The e-mail from Dennis Theriot indicates that many people feel that Gilbert's supposed
role as William the Conqueror's Admiral of the Fleet is more legendary/contrived than
historical:

Charles R Young recently wrote a book called "The Making of the Neville Family,
1166-1400, The Boydell Press, 1996. To quote him: "The first of the Nevilles to emerge
from obscurity was Alan, who became notorious as a justice of the forest under King
Henry II after conducting the first comprehensive forest eyre in 1166. However, the family
was not new to England. Alan's ancestry can be traced to Gilbert de Neville listed in the
Domesday Book in 1086 as holding Walcot in Lincolnshire from Peterborough Abbey.
Another Neville named Ralph who also held land from the abbey may have been Gilbert's
brother and was certainly the ancestor of a related branch of the family. Through
connections with Peterborough Abbey and lands in Normandy the family can be shown to
have originated from a place in the duchy called Neville from which the surname was
derived. In 1125 both Gilbert and Ralph continued to hold lands in England from the abbey
for the service of one knight and one-third of a knight respectively." .... "Gilbert was a minor
landholder in Lincolnshire as early as 1086 and into the early twelfth century, but there is
no real evidence that he had been the steward of William the Conqueror and prominent at
the Battle of Hastings. This story can be dismissed as the invention of later antiquaries
anxious to please members of the Neville family after the family had become prominent
and at a time when descent from a companion of the Conqueror carried social prestige."...
"The more prosaic reality is that Alan's success as chief justice of the forest under Henry II
a century after the conquest was the first step by any member of the family toward royal
service and the prominence the family was to obtain in the thirteenth and fourteenth
centuries. He set a precedent in royal service that was followed by the next generations of
Nevilles who held offical positions under the sons and grandson of King Henry." So much
for "The Admiral".

Dennis Theriot

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A reported Companion in arms to William the Conqueror, and by some genealogists,
Admiral of the fleet of William the Conqueror.

On the spelling of the surname Neville: The Abergavenny branch reject the final "e", while
the Braybroooke branch retain it. For the sake of further distinction, the Grove, Chevet,
Holbeck, Skelbrooke and Willingore branchs omit one "L". In the old manuscripts, from "de
Nova Villa", we get Neuville, Nevylle, Nevyll, Nevyl, Nevill and Nevil while the Latimers are
frequently styled Nevell, but the prevailing form is Nevyll or Nevill.

William the Conqueror was the bastard son of Robert the Devil, Duke of Normandy, and
Harlotta (or Arlette) daughter of a tanner of Falaise. Richard de Nova Villa was a cousin of
the Conqueror on his maternal side and he left four sons; Gilbert, Robert, Richard and
Ralph. From Gilbert de Nevill descends the houses of Westmoreland, Warwick, Latimer
and Abergavenny. Gilbert de Nevill is claimed by some to have been the Admiral of the of
the Conqueror's fleet, an uncle of Gilbert, Foulk d'Anou furnished 40 ships for the fleet.

The Norman family of Nevill came from Teutonic stock. Baldric Teutonicus was Lord of
Bacqueville en Caux under Duke William. He married a niece of Gilbert Compte de
Brionne, a grandson of duke Richard I who was regent of Normandy in 1040. The fourth
son of Baldric Teutonicus was called Richard de Nova Villa, or de Neuville from his fife in
Neuville sur Tocque in the department of the Orne, arrondissement of Argenton, and the
canton of Grace. His sister, Hawisia, married Robertr Fitz Erneis who was slain at
Hastings on October 14, 1066.

Evidently there is some evidence from one of Alan's charters granting some land to
Kirkstead Abbey was given in the presence of the bishop of Lincoln and witnessed by
Alan's brother Gilbert and Gilberts son Geoffrey. Source: B.L., Cotton Mss., Verpasian
EXVIII, f. 159v, Gilbert is identified as his brother by Alan in Harley Charters 58 H4

There is evidently a witness list of one of Gilberts charters that names his two sons
William and Walter and includes Alan, son of Ernise"

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Richard TEUTONICUS
unknown
"Richard de Neuville (not Neville) being Seigneur de Neuville sur Tocque. Spelling 'Neville'
is English & he wasn't"
"Another name for Richard was Richardus DE NOVA VILLA Held in Normandy, the fief of
Neuville-sur-Tocque Reported cousin to William the Conqueror on maternal side
fourth son of Baldric Teutonicus (some say also known as) Called Richard de Nova Villa
founded Horncastle, Lincolnshire The following addition information is supplied in a
post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com: FWIW:
had fief of Neuville sur Tocque in Normandy

Gilbert Neville, b c1035, came to England as an admiral in William the Conqueror's fleet....
The father of Gilbert is supposedly Richard Teutonicus D'Novavilla., b c1000 in Neuville,
Normandy. Richard's father was supposedly Baldricus Teutonius or Baldric the German.
[Ref: Kenneh Harper Finton 21 Dec 2000 message to
Gen-Medieval/soc.genealogy.medieval]

From the book "De Nova Villa" by Henry J Swallow, pub jointly in 1885 by Andrew Reid of
Newcastle upon Tyne and Griffith, Farran and Co of London, pp 2 and 3:

"Richard de Nova Villa was cousin to the Conqueror on his mother's side. The name and
parentage of his wife remain in obscurity; but it is known that he left four sons, Gilbert,
Robert, Richard and Ralph. From Gilbert descended the houses of Westmorland,
Warwick, Latimer and Abergavenny.

"'Gilbertus Normanus' commonly called the _Admiral_, is placed at the head of the Nevill
pedigree by all the early genealogists. Leland styles him the Conqueror's Admiral, on the
authority of a 'roulle of the genealogie of the Erles of Westmoreland'. Henry
Drummond--into whose work Stapleton's researches into the Norman ancestry of the
Nevills were incorporated--considered Leland's information as a mere family fabrication,
introduced towards the close of the 15th century. Whether the device of the ship on the
seal of Henry de Nevill (date circ. 1200) supports the tradition, or whether the tradition
arose from the seal, is a matter on which opinions differ. Foulk d'Anou, the uncle of Gilbert,
certainly furnished forty ships for the invasion of England. There is no other evidence to
support Leland's assertion that Gilbert himself was Admiral.

"'From a passage in Odericus Vitalis it is clear that the Norman family of Nevill issued from
a Teutonic stock, some members of which offered their services to Richard, second duke
of Normandy, and are known to have held high office, contracted important alliances, and
possessed large fiefs in England _previous_ to the Conquest. Baldric Tuetonicus was
Lord of Bacqueville en Caux, and _Archearius_ under Duke William. He married a niece of
Gilbert Comte de Brionne, grandson of Duke Richard I., and Regent of Normandy in 1040.'"

"'The fourth son of Baldric was called Richard de Nova Villa [*], or De Neuville, from his fief
of Neuville sur Tocque, in the department of the Orne, the arrondissement of Argenton,
and the Canton of Gacé. Hawisia, sister of Richard de Nova Villa, married Robert Fitz
Erneis, who fought and fell at Hastings.'--_Vide Planché's Norman Ancestry of the Nevills,
a paper read at Durham in 1865, and published in the British Archaeological Journal, Vol
XXII, p.279_."

Swallow adds a footnote:
"[*] The name of Richard de Nevill is given by M. Leopold de Lisle in his catalogue of the
companions of the Conqueror, and by the Vicomte de Magny in his book, entitled _La
Nobiliare de Normandie_. The name of Ralph occurs in the _Clamores in Westreding, co
Lincoln_. Ralph Nevill held Thorpe of Turold, Abbot of Peterborough, but the name is
omitted by Sir Henry Ellis in his _Introduction and Indexes to Domesday_. De Nove Villa
_is_ found in the Roll of Battle Abbey, and in other lists of doubtful authority, but Odericus
Vitalis makes no mention of the presence of any Nevill at the battle of Hastings, nor does
Wace in his _Roman de Rou_; but that some of the brothers, sons, or nephews of the
elder Richard de Nova Villa, of not Richard himself, were present at the battle is very
probable."

Obviously this has to be contrasted with Ethel Stokes' article in CP (Vol IX, pp502a to 502d)
where much of Swallow's words have to be consigned to the waste-paper basket. But
Swallow himself put the weakest parts in quotes and seems to be very well aware that
there was little evidence for any of it. Swallow's problem was that he was writing with the
protection of the Bergavenny Nevilles and obviously hoped to sell copies around the
various Nevill families so he could not throw out the old fables too violently. [Ref: Tim
Powys-Lybbe 22 Dec 2000 message to Gen-Medieval/soc.genealogy.medieval]

(RICHARD DE NEVIL) was the fourth son of Baldric the German, and so called from his
fief of Neuville-sur-Tocque, in the department of the Orne, the arrondissement of Argentan,
and the canton of Gacé. The name of his wife is as yet unknown to us, but she bore to him
four sons, Gilbert, Robert, Richard, and Ralph. Gilbert, apparently the eldest, is the "Gilbert
Normanus" traditionally said not only to have come over with the Conqueror, but to have
been the admiral of his fleet.

This assertion, apparently first made towards the close of the fifteenth century, is reported
by Leland on the authority, as he tells us, of "a roulle of the genealogie of the Erles of
Westmoreland," but giving us no idea of the date of that roll or the authorities from which it
was compiled. At best it can only be looked upon as a family tradition supported, as Mr.
Drummond appears to think, by the device of a ship which is to be seen on the seal of his
grand-nephew Henry de Neville, preserved in the Duchy of Lancaster Office, and the date
of which would be between 1199 and 1216.

My experience in these matters induces me to draw an inference from this fact directly
opposed to that of Mr. Drummond. It is my belief, founded on the many analogous
examples I have met with in the course of a tolerably long period passed in such
investigations, that the tradition of Gilbert de Neville having been an admiral has actually
arisen from the appearance of this ship, which, so far from indicating any such office, is
nothing more than a device alluding to the family name; Nef, in the old French language
signifying a ship, and, therefore, picturing the first syllable of Nefville, as we find Muscæ
(flies) upon the old seals of the Muscamps, and hosts of similar and much farther-fetched
canting devices.

Nearly all the strange stories and bold assertions to be met with in the works of early
historical writers are found upon examination to have originated in an attempt to account
for such concetti, and if Gilbert's uncle did really contribute so large a contingent as forty
ships to the invading fleet, the supposition in the present instance seems a very natural
one. Monsieur Leopold de Lisle, one of the ablest antiquaries in France, has in a recently
compiled catalogue which has been cut in the stone of the western wall of the Church of
Dives, introduced a Richard de Neuville amongst the followers of William, but no Gilbert;
but neither by him nor by the Viscount de Magny, who has printed the list with some
additions in his " Nobiliaire de Normandie," is any authority quoted in support of the
statement, and they have probably so distinguished him from observing that the first of the
name, and who was a contemporary of Duke William, was Richard de Novavilla, the father
of Gilbert; but this Richard had also a son named Richard, and that some of the sons or
nephews of the elder Richard were present at Hastings is very probable.

The name of Nevil, it has been confidently asserted, does not appear in Domesday. Like
many other confident assertions, it is untrue. Dugdale, who states this, and those who
have followed him, have overlooked the name of Ralph Nevil, who held Thorpe of Turold,
Abbot of Peterborough. Sir Henry Ellis has also omitted the name in his "Introduction " and
indexes. It occurs however in the Clamores in Westriding, county Lincoln, and if Ralph the
bishop's man be identical with the Ralph Nevil of Thorpe, as there is reason to believe, he
was tenant of several other lands at the time of the survey, and we have seen that the
youngest brother of Gilbert was named Ralph.

Be this however as it may, it is no disparagement to the family of Nevil to hesitate, in the
absence of positive authority, to number their direct ancestor amongst the leaders of that
famous host; for many of the greatest men in Normandy set down in the catalogues as
having fought at Senlac are now known to have first set foot in England after Duke William
had secured the crown.

Gilbert, the traditionary admiral, was the direct progenitor of Isabella de Neville, wife of
Robert Fitz Maldred, Lord of Raby, and sole heir to her brother, the Henry de Neville before
mentioned.

From her son Geoffrey Fitz Maldred, who assumed his mother's name but retained his
father's arms, sprang the magnificent tree the branches of which are truly said to have
overshadowed the land. This Saxon line of Nevil has given to England two queens, a
Princess of Wales, a mother of two kings, a Duke of Bedford, a Marquis of Montacute,
Earls of Northumberland, Westmoreland, Salisbury, Kent, Warwick, and Montacute;
Barons Nevil, Furnival, Latimer, Fauconberg, Montacute, and Abergavenny; Duchesses of
Norfolk, Exeter, York, Buckingham, Warwick, Clarence, and Bedford; a Marchioness of
Dorset; Countesses of Northumberland, Westmoreland, Arundel, Worcester, Derby,
Oxford, Suffolk, Rutland, Exeter, Bridgewater, and Norwich; Baronesses de Ros, Dacre,
Scrope, Dovercourt, Mountjoy, Spencer, Fitz Hugh, Harrington, Hastings, Comyn,
Willoughby de Broke, Hunsdon, Cobham, Strange, Montacute, and Lucas; nine Knights of
the Garter, two Lord High Chancellors, two Archbishops of York, a Bishop of Salisbury, of
Exeter, and of Durham.

I regret that the nature and limits of this work debar me from particular notice of many
members of this wonderful family, the above remarkable list of illustrious descendants
being of itself a departure from the rule I have generally observed of confining my
annotations to the origin and actions of the actual companions and contemporaries of the
Conqueror. Memoirs of "the Peacock of the North" and "the King-maker" would alone
demand a volume for their illustration; and it is unnecessary to point out the impossibility
of doing similar justice to the many distinguished descendants of other families whose
ancestors are recorded to have been present with Duke William at Hastings, and would
have equal claims on my consideration. [Ref: RICHARD DE NEVIL, The Conqueror and
His Companions, by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874
http://www.patpnyc.com/conq/nevil.shtml]
note: caveat emptor - Planché's work is purported by modern genealogists to be riddled
with errors... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Note:
I forgot to add his name was: Richard de Neuville (not Neville) being Seigneur de Neuville
sur Tocque. Spelling 'Neville' is English & he wasn't.
Regards,
Curt (who is apparently a nit-picker to be avoided) ;>)"

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Saturday, January 09, 2010

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Baldric DE COURCY "the Teuton", seigneur de Courcy
Aubrée DE BRIONNE
"The following information, which indicates that there is not much solid evidence on
Baldric, is contained in a post-em by Curt Hoffeman, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com. Based
on it, I added Aimee de Brionne as a wife. However I kept Muriel as mother of Baldric's 1st
two children. However unlikely, this leaves Baldric marrying 1st the illegitimate daughter of
Richard I of Normandy, and 2nd his great granddaughter.
FWIW (caveat emptor):
But the names "GILBERT" and "GEOFFREY" as the early ancestors of the DE NEVILLES
on your list might indicate some likelihood that Baudric's wife was indeed a niece of
Gilbert de Brionne, as written by Orderic. Orderic not only stated the fact about the niece of
GILBERT marrying "BALDRIC," but named their six sons, including Nicholas DE
BASKERVILLE and Richard DE NEVILLE, according to P. H. Baskervill...
In my letter to GEN-MEDIEVAL, I also said that BAUDRY/BAUDRIC le TEUTON and his
brother WIGER came to Normandy and put themselves at the service of WILLIAM I, but it
was not WILLIAM I, but WILLIAM's grandfather, Richard II of Normandy (996-1026) they
served under, according to Orderic.
Abbe' Daoust states that BAUDRY married AUBREE, niece of Gilbert DE BRIONNE. This is
the first place I have seen the name of the niece. [Ref: Kay Roemer 9 Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
I have read that Gilbert's (de Brionne) niece Aubree married Baudric le Teuton and named
a son Fulk, who later became Fulk d'Aunou. [Ref: Kay Roemir roemer222 AT aol.com 24
Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
Balderic Teutonicus (Baudric le Teuton, Baudry the Teutonique, Baldricus) who had a
brother Wigere. They together traveled east to assist their friend the Duke of Normandy.
They were the sons of
Wigelius de Courcie, the son of
Charles, the son of
Charles, Duke of Lorraine, who was the son of
Charles III, King of France, Born on 17 sept. 879 & died oct. 7, 929. [Ref: Nietzsche
12 Nov 1995 message to Gen-Medieval citing: "Royal Ancestry
of the Magna Carta Barons" by Carr. P. Collins Jr. ] note: I am seriously skeptical of this
ascent - basis?... Curt
Research note: Baldricus Teutonicus De Bacqueville, Lord Bacqueville & Caux... (married)
Denefacta De Brienne (dau of Robert De Brienne, Count of Eu & Beatrice De Falaise [Ref:
(unsourced) http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/NorthernEurope/f223.htm]
Regards,
Curt
In reality, the dearth of records about him suggests any ancestry is speculatve (at best) not
supported by reliable records (those that do are only guesses - my opinion only)... Curt"

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Saturday, January 09, 2010

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