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Renfrew town hall

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Helmsley Castle

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Castle Roche, - Dundalk

Castle Roche, near Dundalk, from a Tempest postcard of 1912

John 2nd Lord Ross - of Halkhead
Christian Edmonstone - of Duntreath

"BARONY OF ROSS OF HALKHEAD (II) 1500 or 1501
JOHN (ROSS), LORD ROSS of Halkhead [SCT], grandson and heir, being son and
heir of Robert Ross and Agnes, his wife, was returned heir of his mother in the
barony of Melville, 16 May 1496; knighted before 31 May 1499, when his grandfather
granted to his heir apparent "Johanni Ross de Malevyn militi," the lands of
Walterstoun, co. Linlithgow. James IV, 11 March 1501/,2, confirmed the grants
made to his late grandfather by the King's father and grandfather of the island The
King's Inch in the water of Clyde near Renfrew. He was granted the wardship of the
lands of the late Sir Stephen Lockhart, of Cleghorn, 8 February 1505/6. James IV
visited him at Halkhead, 25 April 1506.
He married, before 27 September 1490, Christian, 2nd daughter of Sir Archibald
EDMONSTONE, of Duntreath. He died 9 September 1513, being slain at the battle
of Flodden. His widow married George KNOLLIS, but the marriage was annulled
about 1515, on account of her relationship to his 1st wife, Grizel Rattray. She died
May 1551. [Complete Peerage XI:156-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]"

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John 2nd Lord Ross - of Halkhead
Christian Edmonstone - of Duntreath
"BATTLE OF FLODDEN FIELD, Sept. 9, 1513, by Larry Overmire, Aug 2007:
England was at war with France in 1513. The French renewed their old alliance with
Scotland, giving King James IV of Scotland money and arms to invade England.
With Henry VIII fighting over in France, the defense of England was left to Thomas
Howard, Earl of Surrey. Howard was joined by his sons Thomas (Lord Admiral) and
Edmund. The Battle actually took place on Branxton Hill and for some time the
encounter was known as "The Battle of Branxton." It was the largest battle in terms
of numbers ever fought between England and Scotland. Though James had the
superior numbers, he was out-maneuvered and out-generaled with disastrous
consequences. At one point, the king himself led a gallant charge down the hill right
toward the center of the English line held by the Earl of Surrey. In the end, the Scots
were soundly defeated, losing 10,000 men in the battle, including King James, 12
earls, 15 lords and many clan chiefs, while the English dead amounted to only
1,500. The battle of Flodden has been immortalized in the Scottish lament, "The
Flowers of the Forest."

THE FLOWERS OF THE FOREST
by Jane Elliot

I've hear them liltin', at the ewe milkin,'
Lasses a-liltin' before dawn of day.
Now there's a moanin', on ilka green loanin'.
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

As boughs in the mornin', nae blithe lads are scornin',
Lasses are lonely and dowie and wae.
Nae daffin', nae gabbin', but sighin' and sobbin',
Ilk ane lifts her leglin, and hies her away.

At e'en in the gloamin', nae swankies are roamin',
'Bout stacks wi' the lasses at bogle to play.
But ilk maid sits drearie, lamentin' her dearie,
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

In har'st at the shearin' nae youths now are jeerin'
Bandsters are runkled, and lyart, or grey.
At fair or at preachin', nae wooin', nae fleecin',
The flowers of the forest are a' wede away.

Dool for the order sent our lads to the Border,
the English for ance by guile wan the day.
The flowers of the forest, that fought aye the foremost,
The prime of our land lie cauld in the clay.

We'll hae nae mair liltin', at the ewe milkin',
Women and bairns are heartless and wae.
Sighin' and moanin' on ilka green loanin',
The flowers of the forest are all wede away".

"He [John Ross] married, before 27 September 1490, Christian, 2nd daughter of Sir
Archibald EDMONSTONE, of Duntreath. He died 9 September 1513, being slain at
the battle of Flodden. His widow married George KNOLLIS, but the marriage was
annulled about 1515, on account of her relationship to his 1st wife, Grizel Rattray.
She died May 1551."--Complete Peerage XI:156-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)'
Sources:
1) Dave Ross Database, 11 Apr 2004
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED
&db=utzing&id=I033813
2) Hamish Maclaren Database, 2 Apr 2004
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED
&db=maclaren&id=I13234
3) Jim Weber Database, 5 Feb 2006
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?
op=GET&db=jweber&id=I19536
4) Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XI:156-7

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Sir John Ross - 1st Lord of Halkhead
Marjory Mure - of Caldwell
"BARONY OF ROSS OF HALKHEAD (I) 1499
JOHN ROSS, of Halkhead (c), co. Renfrew, probably son and heir of Sir John Ross,
of the same, heritable Constable of Renfrew Castle, was knighted after 10 August
1450, but before 17 January 1450/1, when he had a charter of the lands of Tarbert,
co. Ayr, and Auchinbak, co. Renfrew;(a) had a safe-conduct to pass through
England, 12 May 1451; Keeper of Blackness Castle, 146368; Sheriff of Linlithgow,
before 1468, being reappointed for life, 9 March 1472/3; had charters of Starlaw and
Denys in the barony of Bathgate, co. Renfrew, and of Lochtillow in the same barony,
16 July 1468; Ambassador to England, 24 August 1473; one of the Conservators of
a truce between England and Scotland, 21 September 1484; one of the Barons in
Parliament [SCT], 3 February 1489/90. He was created, between 9 January 1498/9
and 31 May 1499, a Lord of Parliament as LORD ROSS of Halkhead [SCT].

He married, 1stly, Marjory, daughter of John MURE, of Caldwell. She was buried in
the parish church of Renfrew. He married, 2ndly, after 1491, Marion or Mariota,
widow of John (SOMERVILLE), 2nd LORD SOMERVILLE [SCT], daughter of Sir
William BAILLIE, of Lamington. From her he obtained a divorce. He died between 12
December 1500 and 16 October 1501, and was buried with his 1st wife, at Renfrew.
His divorced wife was alive January 1505/6. [Complete Peerage XI:155-6,
(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) John Ross, the direct ancestor of the family of Halkhead or Hacket or Hawket,
received a grant of that estate in the Barony of Renfrew in 1367 from Robert, Earl of
Strathearn, afterwards King Robert II of Scotland. Although there is no evidence of a
connection between the Halkhead family and the ancient Earls of Ross, King
Robert, who married as his 2nd wife, Eupheme, daughter of Hugh, 4th Earl of Ross,
describes John Ross, both in the charter of 1367 and in another charter of 30 Mar
1390 as "conanguineus noster". It may be noted that the arms of the Lowland family
of Ross of Halkhead, which claimed to be akin to the English family of Ros [of
Helmesley], so called from the place of that name in Yorkshire, were clearly derived
from its arms (gules 3 water-bougets silver), being: Gold a chevron checkered
sable and silver between 3 water-bougets sable, whereas those of the ancient
Earls of Ross, a Highland family were: Gules, three lions rampant silver."

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"The Ross family, who were appointed Hereditary Constables of Renfrew Castle in
the 1400's, and who held the lands of Hawkhead near Paisley as their main seat,
and King's Inch in Renfrew as one of their lesser seats, bore Or, a chevron chequy
Sable and Argent between three water bougets Sable, the water bougets being an
ancient charge for those of the name of Ross or Roos. Their lands of Hawkhead
straddled the River Cart above Paisley."

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Robert "Surety" de ROS
Isabel STEWART - Princess of Scotland

"Sir Robert de Ros or Roos of Fursan (1177 – 11 December 1226) was the fourth
baron by tenure of Hamlake manor (later associated with the barony of de Ros).

He was the son of Everard de Ros and Rose Trusbut. In 1191, aged fourteen, he
paid a thousand marks fine for livery of his lands to King Richard I of England. Also
that year, he married Isabel, sister (or possibly daughter) of William the Lion, King of
Scots (Isabella not to be confused with William I's daughter Isabella who married
Roger Bigod, 4th Earl of Norfolk). In 1197, while serving King Richard in Normandy,
he was arrested for an unspecified offence, and was committed to the custody of
Hugh de Chaumont, but Chaumont entrusted his prisoner to William de Spiney,
who allowed him to escape from the castle of Bonville. King Richard thereupon
hanged Spiney and collected a fine of twelve hundred marks from Ros' guardian as
the price of his continued freedom.

When King John came to the throne, he gave Ros the barony of his great-
grandmother's father, Walter d'Espec. Soon afterwards he was deputed one of
those to escort William the Lion, his brother-in-law, into England, to swear fealty to
King John. Some years later, Robert de Ros assumed the habit of a monk,
whereupon the custody of all his lands and Castle Werke (Wark), in
Northumberland, were committed to Philip d'Ulcote, but he soon returned and about
a year later he was High Sheriff of County Cumberland.

When the struggle of the barons for a constitutional government began, de Ros at
first sided with King John, and thus obtained some valuable grants from the crown,
and was made governor of Carlisle; but he subsequently went over to the barons
and became one of the celebrated twenty-five "Sureties" appointed to enforce the
observance of Magna Carta, the county of Northumberland being placed under his
supervision. He gave his allegiance to King Henry III and, in 1217-18, his manors
were restored to him. Although he was witness to the second Great Charter and the
Forest Charter, of 1224, he seems to have remained in royal favour.

He erected Helmsley or Hamlake Castle in Yorkshire, and of Werke in
Northumberland. Sir Robert is buried at the Temple Church under a magnificent
tomb. Among his children was Sir William de Ros.
[edit] Controversy

There is a difference in genealogies. It is unverified whether Robert was married to
William I's (alleged) sister Isabella, or if he was the second husband of William's
daughter Isabel. Genealogies provided below.

While "Fursan" is given as a location for Robert de Ros (sometimes also Roos)
most use the term "furfan" to designate a title within the Templars essentially
equivalent to grandmaster or head priest. This title also further refers to the
resulting aura resembling a "fan" / "Furry fan". Some would also use the term
"Kingmaker".

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Ross-shire Loch, Scotland

Ross-shire Loch Duich C.37